so its true then marc this is your driving style

i couldnt help but Laugh alot when i saw this knowing marcs habbit of nose diving, this isnt somthing ive made ive copied it from another forum
who knows maybe its real ...

mm, that's a lttle steeper and deeper as the hole in Sibbertoft
Nice pic

Photoshop much lol

Geronimo o o o o

there was a guy name Mat who made that little art work for me (muddyfrontera by any chance there kieran??), basically at an off road site i went up from the road onto the site driving along side another frontera and i went straight down a 4ft bomb hole and then had to have some recovery...

Not as steep as Sibbertoft then ?

This lookes quite normal to me. In the winchevents, they make a habbit of crossing those ditches in this way. Backing out is no option then, on your winch you have to go forward. Last year in Belgium I've experienced the worst till now.Scared the hell out of me before starting. We had to make a decent for 20 meters with a decentpercentage of 80. Decending on our own rearwinch. Eventough for safety we were supported by a rope slung around a tree, holded by one man, it was frightening. Before our start i already witnessed some winchropes breaking. Didn't look nice: falling down some meters before ropeman catched you, and to be honest, didn't trust that rope either. Made it afterall, with my pants barely clean.
Don't have any pics of it, too bad

no not as steep it was the doing 10mph at the time and only having 2 wheels on the ground, end result one of the planet gears in the diff got obliterated

I see, 10 mph, is a little fast for such a ditch

yes indeed, i had walked up the site and made a careful note to stay away from the bomb hole and thougght it was further up the site than that so went straight into it, the guy in the blue frontera thought it was ace as watching a frontera with only 2 wheels on the ground then on an angle like this / to like this \ ah well all part of the fun i guess??

A Range Rover would have got through there - well, a bobtail Rangie with 35" tyres and portal axles.

Even a disco gets through ( same specs)

yeah no one got through there not even this one:



and they are 35" tyres and has full set of locking diffs as well as crawler gears

Well that's when a winch comes in handy
and maybe an anchor

yes indeed a way past my budget though

Now that's some evil slime. It was just like that in Russia where I went for a little play a few years back, a lot of swamps that just sucked you down. Interestingly I was in a 130 like Jaap's, but even with larger tyres than his (well, taller anyway), it was still impassable in places. Higher tyres are a waste of space as like in the photo, it was bottomless.

We didn't have a winch on board and the vehicle in our convoy that did couldn't reach us, so we built our own 50ft/15m long road out of the millions of silver birch trees that infest the forest (some folk say they are 'weeds' of the tree world). Tiring but great fun! We did the locals a favour as it happens for they pass that way from village to village. How they do is a mystery however, but there were definite tyre tracks.

One day I would like to return, but with some VERY wide tyres and winches and back. Maybe after our Africa trip chaps? Now there's an idea.

must be affordable ones on the second hand market?
if you don't use it often even a chinese make can be usefull

True. I've decided that for the camper I shall have a winch attachment front and read, and carry a portable winch on board actually IN the vehicle under the seats/bed. That way it is secure at all times. Or I may just carry a Tirfor for the odd time I may need a winch (very rare). Depends on money as usual, we'll see.

yes it was deep deep mud, its at the same site my dad sank lenny and where kieran nearly killed pinky not long after he got it before it had a snorkel

Do they make portable winches that powerful?dont they say at least 1.2 times the weight of the vehicle for the winch pulling power?

Well you're half right as most portable winch systems are around 2,000 lb straight line pull. However, I know of one which is 9,500 lbs - probably enough especially if you can pull the vehicle backwards rather than deeper in the poo! Add a snatch block for a double line pull and it'll definitely do the job.

It's called the Porta-Pull2 9500lb 12v Winch System. Granted it costs almost £500, but then again once bought it is far more secure than most winches (hidden in the vehicle out of sight), plus has the added benefit of being able to be swapped between vehicles (if you own a couple of 4x4's) plus you retain it whenever you sell/buy a new vehicle.

Expensive? Maybe, but if ever I buy an electric winch (never have so far) for the odd time I will need it, my purchase will quite literally last a lifetime ... well, my lifetime anyway!

yeah thats the only problem with winches if you dont do trials/winch challenges you just spend all day pulling everyone else out

Beats the rest of us spending all day pulling a Frontera out !

Recovering vehicles is just fun,
Most times i am at an offroad ground, after 2 rounds driving I only drive around to find stuck cars
Best ones are in the middle of the water. Owner can come to me to get the rope or winchcable. just fun

Kieran just loves rescuing stuck vehicles. It was great fun in Wales when it snowed and snowed and ................